tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-925549664214256461.post8587274332405185750..comments2024-03-24T17:49:05.886-04:00Comments on The Robert Moss BLOG: A scholar of the Imaginal RealmMarcia Mosshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04530003059608361331noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-925549664214256461.post-47141164555086776652010-06-26T23:57:35.825-04:002010-06-26T23:57:35.825-04:00Arias - Good to hear your voice. Your comment is v...Arias - Good to hear your voice. Your comment is very much in the spirit of Corbin and of Ibn 'Arabi the Sufi master of imagination whose work he helped to bring to the knowledge of the West. Ibn 'Arabi described dreaming as traveling to an "isthmus" between the physical world and that of disembodied in which the voyaging soul visits the Treasury of Imagination and sees both “what the senses have lifted up [from] what they have acquired from sensory objects” and “what has been formed by the form-giving faculty, which is one of the assistants of this Treasury.” [This time the translation is from William C.Chittick,, The Sufi Path of Knowledge: Ibn al-‘Arabi’s Metaphysics of Imagination. Albany: State University of New York Press, 1989.]Robert Mosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09231870716685877709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-925549664214256461.post-85584955851731278882010-06-26T20:39:21.667-04:002010-06-26T20:39:21.667-04:00I love the synchronicity of your posts Robert and ...I love the synchronicity of your posts Robert and how through reading I discovered that many of my dreams this year have been places for me to visit and learn in the imaginarium realms. I am just beginning to see how many gifts I have been given in my and never knew the full scope of their meaning. So much to discover!Ariashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07153753348872213744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-925549664214256461.post-58110258116721476402010-06-26T12:47:37.100-04:002010-06-26T12:47:37.100-04:00Daniel - My quote is from the English translation....Daniel - My quote is from the English translation. Thanks for the references to the French sources , which I shall check. I have Corbin's French translation of Suhrawardi, but not all of his own works in French. Our dialogue here is already reminding me of a delightful series of "chance" encounters and discoveries that unfolded for me in the Center for Islamic Studies at McGill in Montreal a few years ago, and revolved around Corbin and Suhrawardi.<br /><br />Very briefly, ut may be that when we step outside time, in visionary experiences, we step into what was known to medieval scholastics as the Aevum, the space between the worlds of secular time and teternity.<br /><br />A great part of my work as a teacher and explorer of the multidimensional universe consists of journeying into other times. I describe the practice of dream archeology - which requires us to combine the skills of the shamanic dreamer, the scholar and the detective - in my "Secret History of Dreaming". A French translation will be published in the future, but your English is clearly excellent so you don't have to wait for that :-)Robert Mosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09231870716685877709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-925549664214256461.post-81851973023196964082010-06-26T12:04:08.922-04:002010-06-26T12:04:08.922-04:00Because, if you are there, if you are aware and yo...Because, if you are there, if you are aware and your conciseness is hic et nunc (like the name of the first magazine where Corbin had published his 4 first articles), you are present to the mundus imaginalis and in this sense you accomplish necessarily the divine. But when you said that the mundus imaginalis is "the place where all 'divine history' is accomplished", I am not sure. Because in the French edition of L’imagination créatrice, Corbin clearly said (p.214) that the divine being manifest in each moment. The creative imagination is a creation that never goes in the past, it is a creation that is always hic et nunc, and you can accede only by being present. Corbin always state the same sentence “talem eum vidi qualem capere potui” in French « je l’ai vu tel que j’étais en mesure de le saisir ». (Can see the references at the end.) <br /><br />Unfortunately, I don’t know your work now, I have discovered it yesterday, but I will close my reflections by a question: is it possible to dream in the past? And maybe, it is where the history of dream starts to be a hierohistory or sacred history. <br /><br />I am happy to have discovered a thinker like you.<br /><br />Daniel<br /><br />PS (I am a french canadien, so apologize my english.)<br /><br />In the french literature about Corbin you can find this sentence in CORBIN, Henry, En islam iranien, T.I, XXII ; CORBIN, Henry, Temps cyclique et gnose ismaélienne, p.70, 72, 98 ; CORBIN, Henry, Face de Dieu, Face de l’Homme, p.278-280, 298 ; CORBIN, Henry, Avicenne et le récit visionnaire, p.119, 252 ; CORBIN, Henry, L’Imagination créatrice dans le soufisme d’Ibn ʿArabî, p.96; SHAYEGAN, Daryush, Henry Corbin La topographie spirituelle de l’Islam iranien, p.187 ; VIEILLARD-BARON, Jean-Louis, « Temps spirituel et hiéro-histoire selon Henry Corbin », dans Henry corbin et le comparatisme spirituel, p.37 ; VIEILLARD-BARON, Jean-Louis et KAPLAN, Francis, dir., Introduction à la philosophie de la religion, p.15; MOULINET, Philippe, Le soufisme regarde l’Occident, T.2, p.117Daniel Proulxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04550535392312676046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-925549664214256461.post-27523225871553906122010-06-26T11:36:45.253-04:002010-06-26T11:36:45.253-04:00Savannah - Rumi is great for carry-on reading, and...Savannah - Rumi is great for carry-on reading, and a good companion in those transits between different planes that often evoke the other meaning of "plane".In our dreams, getting on a plane (while it may also reflect a probable literal future) is quite often about going to another level of consciousness or being.Robert Mosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09231870716685877709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-925549664214256461.post-31791976242112167022010-06-26T10:56:49.859-04:002010-06-26T10:56:49.859-04:00Daniel - Yes, that puts it well. Corbin sometimes ...Daniel - Yes, that puts it well. Corbin sometimes calls it "divine history", which is about as simple as he gets. In writing about Ibn 'Arabi (in "Creative Imagination") Corbin states that the Realm of Images is "the place where all 'divine history' is accomplished".Robert Mosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09231870716685877709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-925549664214256461.post-90401829053865252252010-06-26T09:49:42.205-04:002010-06-26T09:49:42.205-04:00I think that the real historicity for Corbin is th...I think that the real historicity for Corbin is the « hiérohistoire », the hierohistory or the metahistory. It is something like the sacral and intimate history of the divine presence to all humans. <br /><br />Very interesting post!<br /><br />DanielDaniel Proulxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04550535392312676046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-925549664214256461.post-89025407792016807912010-06-26T00:14:49.571-04:002010-06-26T00:14:49.571-04:00Here's an interesting link to Corbin.
Mundus ...Here's an interesting link to Corbin.<br /><br />Mundus Imaginalis.<br /><br />http://hermetic.com/bey/mundus_imaginalis.htmWorldbridgerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02411263354180821936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-925549664214256461.post-23859789029625601742010-06-25T21:30:42.741-04:002010-06-25T21:30:42.741-04:00I like the term historicity... Thank you for this...I like the term historicity... Thank you for this Robert! As I catch your post on a rhyming day in that not-quite-of-this-world place between flights "the presence in us of those characteristics by which we know God" seems to rather nicely echo "I see my beauty in you" in the short volume of Rumi translations I tossed into my carry-on at the last minute. I look forward to reading more or Corbin too - even if it promises to be a slow read...Savannahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17742991823988063247noreply@blogger.com