tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-925549664214256461.post3093659626523151599..comments2024-03-24T17:49:05.886-04:00Comments on The Robert Moss BLOG: Dream reading and research assignmentsMarcia Mosshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04530003059608361331noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-925549664214256461.post-81612548199609212802010-10-24T06:30:57.830-04:002010-10-24T06:30:57.830-04:00you are one fascinating individual, and here I tho...you are one fascinating individual, and here I thought the symbol of the frizzy haired woman dressed as an academic was symbolic of instinct being lost to intellectualism.Katiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11904846034023608389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-925549664214256461.post-55812933654998520322009-07-25T14:34:42.204-04:002009-07-25T14:34:42.204-04:00(Smacking heel of the palm to forehead) Duh! Yes, ...(Smacking heel of the palm to forehead) Duh! Yes, obvious! I totally forgot about the notes and bibliographies! I was reading the blog entry saying to myself that I had read more on the subject but couldn't recall where. It was in <i>The Secret History of Dreaming</i>. I'll do a little browsing there and in the notes and bibliographies, thanks, Robert!<br /><br />I agree with you about the effectiveness of the Kilton Stewart material. Long before I encountered your works on dreaming I was taken by those techniques. When people casually ask me about dreaming I often use a few items from there to get their attention and give them a few simple techniques for starting to look at dreams in a new way. For me they were perfect preparation for <i>Dreamgates</i> as I wanted to expand on what I had learned. From my perspective, <i>Dreamgates</i> was a great big toybox full of wonders and just right for this time and place.<br /><br />--franfranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10236289243440599897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-925549664214256461.post-62209094262012454802009-07-25T10:29:10.183-04:002009-07-25T10:29:10.183-04:00Thanks, Wanda. Another point worth noting is that ...Thanks, Wanda. Another point worth noting is that when our dreams deliver clues we can check out successfully we acquire objective verification that the dream self travels beyond the limits of of personal knowledge and discovers things not previously accessible to our ordinary senses. This helps to quiet the necessary skeptic in the left brain by giving him hard data to consider. The skeptic in me is armed with the investigative skills and critical requirements of the scholar and journalist, and I don't want them bound and gagged, but actively on my side, assisting the quest for deeper knowledge of the multiverse.Robert Mosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09231870716685877709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-925549664214256461.post-51819506678765986912009-07-25T07:52:47.063-04:002009-07-25T07:52:47.063-04:00You provide a valuable dream lesson for all of us ...You provide a valuable dream lesson for all of us when you say that often you are able to transcribe only a few lines upon waking when you dream into a culture and/or language that you have not previously explored in depth. This is probably something many of us can identify with, even if only in a simple dream with a word or phrase unfamiliar in our waking life. But then the lesson - you follow the few lines or the page left imprinted by your dream voice who is assisting your reading the text. Your waking research then not only catches up with your dream but takes you deeply into a new dreaming culture and often into the discovery of concepts in dreaming that you had not previously explored. <br /><br />We could all learn so much more from our dreams if we followed the words and lines and scenes that we do not understand and spent time exploring them in every possible path opened to us within the dream - a study of a new landscape, a people or culture unfamiliar to us in waking, pursuing the nature of a plant presented to us that might prove useful to our health and well-being or expanding our creative gifts in painting or composing from the gift of a dream image or word or sentence - or an entire song if we write music. <br /><br />Our dreams are a phenomenal resource tool for further exploration, much like a good book that presents us with new ideas for more in-depth personal exploration. Your writing about the research paths your dreams open to you is a life chapter for all of us on what treasures await us in our dreams.Wanda Burchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15451187361106279187noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-925549664214256461.post-66552123996905798202009-07-24T21:47:28.216-04:002009-07-24T21:47:28.216-04:00Hey Fran - You can get a taste of what is in my li...Hey Fran - You can get a taste of what is in my library from the rather extensive notes and bibliographies I publish in my books, including my historical fiction. On the Temiar-Senoi of Malaysia, I have a few pages of my own in my "Secret History of Dreaming". My favorite book on the Senoi is by the American anthropologist and musicologist Marina Roseman, "Healing Sounds form the Malaysian Rainforest" which comes with a CD that includes dream-inspired shaman songs, for which the local term ("norn") means "a roadway". <br /><br />On Kilton Stewart and the question of fabrication or idealization in his well-known essay, the most excoriating book-length critique is Bill Domhoff's "The Mystique of Dreams". Use that with care, because one thing that needs to be said about Senoi "dream theory" as described by Kilton Stewart is that whether or not it is practiced in the Malay rainforest as described, it WORKS!Robert Mosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09231870716685877709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-925549664214256461.post-52525998324611198912009-07-24T19:18:53.271-04:002009-07-24T19:18:53.271-04:00Robert, I'd love to see your library! Heck, I&...Robert, I'd love to see your library! Heck, I'd love to just have a list of the books, can we send someone to photograph all of the titles?<br /><br />I recall reading about Kilton Stewart when Jon Hassell used the title "Dream Theory in Malaya" for one of his recordings back in the early 80s. Years later I read that <a href="http://www.dr-dream.com/kilton.htm" rel="nofollow">essay</a> and recall a few odd and ends of it. But I am curious how far off the mark he was. Is there a good article or book that would bring one up to speed about the Senoi and other dreaming cultures?<br /><br />--franfranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10236289243440599897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-925549664214256461.post-40721101923844620722009-07-24T08:55:10.605-04:002009-07-24T08:55:10.605-04:00Hey Barbara - Yes, there may indeed be a connectio...Hey Barbara - Yes, there may indeed be a connection here; my father was in his 20s when he was fighting the Japanese in New Guinea.<br /><br />I suspect there is also a link to my renewed study of what I call "paleolithic pyschology" in connection with preparing the new edition of my book DREAMGATES that will be published next year, and a probable sequel.Robert Mosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09231870716685877709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-925549664214256461.post-80772723979035699612009-07-24T08:40:06.818-04:002009-07-24T08:40:06.818-04:00Hmmm ... If this were my dream I would ask if I am...Hmmm ... If this were my dream I would ask if I am meant to see some parallels between this dream and the one you shared last Friday ... Dutch, WWII, Asia, 'dream double' loosely translated ... How old was your father when he helped defend Dutch New Guinea from the Japanese?Barbara Butler McCoyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06250129625281645201noreply@blogger.com